Brainstorming

[💙Amy💙]

Thank you Destiny

The puzzle piece idea will be included no matter what method we go with

[💙Amy💙]

_Test #1= FAILED_
^Not going to use the send in method^

Okay, Test #1 with the send in / video idea-

Video-

Results-

Moon-
Follow: 10
Speed: 8
Ability: 7
Endurance: 2
Total= 27/40

Togo-
Follow: 10
Speed: 8
Ability: 5
Endurance: 4
Total= 27/40

Zivon-
Follow: 2
Speed: 6
Ability: 1
Endurance: 0
Total= 9/40

1st- Moon
2nd- Togo
DQ- Zivon for not finishing the race.

Follow = Focused on toy, count the seconds followed toy up to 10.
Speed: 1= Walk 5= Trot 10=Run
Ability: 1= Lost focus, interacting with another dog. 5= Lost focus, but re-gained focus and chased the lure. 10= Completely focused on the lure, not bothered by other dogs.
Endurance: Start at 10, -1 for every time they walk, trot, or stop completely. If they don't chase the lure / lost foucs / enteracting with another dog and don't finishe the race, they get a 0.


- This did take a bit of time, had to re-watch the video quite a few times, especially since I changed my mind on how to score them after judging it the first time XD

I did like how it went though, and gives you an idea of the true ability of the dog. Though... it wasn't much of a race XD

More testing coming up!

[💙Amy💙]

-Test #2= FAILED-
^Not going to use this method either^

Test #2 - Using the original way of how I was going to do it. Using the same 3 dogs, I'm using Random.org to generate random times between :20 seconds and :50 seconds. Based on videos I watched on YouTube and about how long I counted between the dogs taking off and stopping. The whippets I watched took 50 seconds, the Borzoi's took 25 seconds.

Moon- .33 Seconds
Togo- .28 Seconds
Zivon- .22 Seconds

1st- Zivon
2nd- Togo
3rd- Moon

Super easy, but slightly boring...

[💙Amy💙]

-Test #3= Getting Warmer!-
^More testing to be done^


2.5 : 2.5 : 2.5 : 2.5 // 1.5 : 1.5 : 1.5 : 1.5

2.5 : 2.5 : 2.5 : 2.5 // 2.5 : 2.5 : 2.5 : 2.5

Follow: 9
Speed: 9
Ability:  9
Endurance: 9
Total= 36/50

My favorite so far, but I'd like to figure out a different judging strategy on how to score the pictures and do a test with more dogs.

If we went with this, you'd be posting pics of the first things your dog offers. So you wouldn't be going for perfect pictures here. I would want to judge what the dog does naturally, not the 10th try of trying to get it to look perfect.

EDIT- Okay, I'll do a score of 10 per picture for each skill I'm judging on. New results for Zivon would be;

Follow: 35
Speed: 30
Ability: 30
Endurance: 30
Total: 125/160

160 would now be the highest possible points you could get.

I would like to do more testing with more dogs and see what kind of variance I'll get. I don't want everybody getting the same scores. I could also add in a random time, but I don't think it'd be fair to give a dog who performed badly 1st place just because they got a nice time. So if I wanted to do a time then I'd have to brainstorm more on that too.

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Continuing Test #3:

Moon-




Follow: 25
Speed: 12
Ability: 31
Endurance: 26
Total: 57/160


I like this way of scoring. This will be staying More testing to be done though!


EDIT- How the scoring system works;

Each picture can score up to 10 points.

Follow is based on how the pet is focused on the toy. If the pet has it's eyes focused on the lure and is going in the direction of the lure, then it will get a 10 for each picture it's doing that in. If eyes are focused anywhere other than the lure, I deduct 5 points. If the dog is not going towards the lure, I'd deduct 4 points giving that picture a scoring of 1.

Speed is based on how fast the dog is going, and when running if they are completely out stretched, or completely tucked under. So a dog who is completely out stretched or tucked under will get a 10, In between is a 5, and a walk or trot would be a 1.

Ability is based on if the dog is performing the task properly. So running left to right, left turn away from camera, running right from left, and left turn towards the camera. Performed properly= 10, improperly= 5 (In Moon's case, he's performing the left turn away from camera improperly since I took the picture too late), completely off track= 1 (so doing a trick, standing, sleeping..etc..)

Endurance is based on how well they stayed at one speed. Running = 10, Trotting= 5, Walking= 1.

Total is everything added up, with a score out of 160.

[💙Amy💙]

Brainstorming on Times;

Taking a 1000 yard course, and dividing by the dog's total score.

Zivon- 1000 divided by 125 = 8 seconds

Moon- 1000 divided by 57 = 17.54 seconds

Time might not be realistic, but it does go with how the dog performed and would be judged fairly. I can do more testing to be sure, but I'm pretty sure it would be the best way to do this.

Between these two entrants, the obvious placement in both scoring and time would be;

1st- Zivon
2nd- Moon


TIES-

If we have a tie between two dogs in both scoring and time, it would come down to who I feel performed best in their pictures. I'm hoping we won't have issues with dogs tiing, but if we do then this is how I'll decide who gets 1st place.

[💙Amy💙]

Okay, so this is how the races will be ran, with the 4 picture entry method. Scoring has been decided as well as the times.

Any questions or opinions? Anything you spot that might cause issues?

Now then, points and titles;

I want to follow how AKC does it's titles;

1. Once a dog has received 15 AKC lure coursing points, which must include two majors (3 to 5 point at one trial), it will have earned a Field Champion(FC) prefix title.

* So in petz, I am thinking only the 1st place winner will be awarded points. Points will depend on how many other dogs are entered. So there must be at least 2 petz entered for points to be awarded. Here's a run down of how points would go;

2 Entries - 1 point
3 Entries - 2 points
4 Entries - 3 points + 1 major
5 Entries - 4 points + 1 Major
6 Entries - 5 points + 1 Major

^You get the idea right?

15 Points + 2 Majors = Field Champion (FC) Prefix title (Meaning it'll go in front of the dog's show name)

2. Any dog that has earned the title of Field Champion and has earned 45 additional championship points from the Special or Veterans Stake, shall be awarded the suffix title of Lure Courser Excellent (LCX).

* This means I'll need different levels. I'm thinking a Special will be breed specific, and Veterans will be any breed can enter. Points will be given out the same way as #1, but no majors will be needed. We'll follow the same points & Titles as real life.

3. The title of Lure Courser Excellent is a cumulative title. Each time a hound accrues an additional 45 championship points, it would be eligible to receive the next title level (LCX II, LCX III, LCX IV, etc.).

^Meaning, you can continue to race your dog for as long as you like and build up more and more titles. Perhaps a retirement age should be required? Opinions?

4. Once a dog has achieved four qualifying runs (50 point runs) they earn a Senior Courser(SC) suffix title. Twenty additional qualifying runs after the SC title is earned will results in a Master Courser (MC) suffix title.

*Not exactly sure what a 'qualifying run' entails. I'll have to read more into this and see what I can come up with.

[💙Amy💙]

Now then...

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In American Sighthound Field Association (ASFA) competitions, a dog must be Certified in order to compete in the Open category of the breed. To certify, a dog must run clean (not interfere with the other hound and pursue the lure) with another dog of similar running style and be certified by a qualified ASFA judge. Dogs used for certification do not have to be certified themselves, nor do they have to be a sighthound, and judges can certify two or three hounds at the same time. In American Kennel Club (AKC) coursing, a new rule was passed in early 2010, making the certification process similar to the ASFA certification process. A dog must run cleanly against another dog of similar running style in order to earn its QC title before it may compete. Dogs may still earn their JC (junior courser) title by running a minimum of 600 yards (548 m) with four turns twice, in two separate trials, under two different qualified AKC judges. The dogs run alone, and once they complete both runs, they earn a Junior Courser (JC) title; however, the JC title no longer allows them to compete against other dogs. In Europe competing dogs need a coursing licence or racing licence for official national and international lure coursing trials, obtained through a racing or coursing club, and are principally run in braces only of the same breed, or run solo.
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I want to do this too! So let's break it down...

The QC Title-
1. Dog must be Certified in order to compete in the Open category of the breed.

2. To certify, a dog must run clean (not interfere with the other hound and pursue the lure) with another dog of similar running style.

3. Judges can certify two or three hounds at the same time.

This means, you need to get your dog Certified before it can race in the Lure Coursing Races against other dogs. You can certify up to 3 dogs at the same time.

This would require 1 picture of 2-3 dogs running together after a lure;



All 3 of these dogs would pass since they are all running cleanly / not interfering with each other, and pursuing the lure. Even though Jenna isn't focused on the lure, she is still chasing after it.

Easy peasy and they all get their QC Title



The JC Title-
1. Dogs may still earn their JC (junior courser) title by running a minimum of 600 yards (548 m) with four turns twice, in two separate trials, under two different qualified AKC judges.

2. The dogs run alone, and once they complete both runs, they earn a Junior Courser (JC) title; however, the JC title no longer allows them to compete against other dogs.

My thoughts on the JC title, is something fun for dogs under the age of 100. They'd enter the same 4 pictures as the adults do in the lure coursing races;
-Run left to right
-left turn away from you
-Run right to left
-left turn towards you

They'd get judged the same as the actual races, but the scoring serves a different purpose. This time, they simply have to score 80 or higher to Qualify / Pass.

They'd have to do this 2 times to get their JC Title.

Sound like fun yet?!

[💙Amy💙]

Okay, I looked up what a 'Qualifying Run' is, and it sounds like it's;

A qualifying score is 50% or more of the total points
from each judge. A dog must complete the course to
receive a qualifying score unless, in the judges’ opinion,
there are extenuating circumstances.

SOOOO... with that said...

Along with 1st place winners, I will also do 'Qualifying Scores'

In each race, any dog that gets' 50% of their points, which would be an 80 or higher in their scoring, will get a 'Qualifying Run'

(Quoting #4 from a couple posts above)
4. Once a dog has achieved four qualifying runs (50 point runs) they earn a Senior Courser(SC) suffix title. Twenty additional qualifying runs after the SC title is earned will results in a Master Courser (MC) suffix title.

So, once your dog gets 4 Qualifying runs of 80 or higher in their scoring, they will earn a Senior Courser (SC) suffix title (meaning it will appear after your dog's show name).

If they get 20 additional qualifying runs of 80 or higher in their scoring, they will earn their Master Courser (MC) suffix title. Again, it'll appear at the end of their show name.

YAY! I'm excited, I hope you guys are too!

I think this concludes the brainstorming of our Lure Coursing Events. Please post questions / suggestions ...etc.. here

I will be typing up a rough draft to try to make this all easy to read and understandable!

[Destiny]

I loved reading through all your posts and seeing how you added more and more to this event. I might have to read it all over again to make sure I understand exactly how it works but it sounds very exciting and I will definitely be participating! It sounds like it's going to be a lot of fun.
As for questions, what do you mean by after earning the JC title they won't be able to compete against other dogs? Is it until they reach adulthood?
Also for some reason it's not letting me watch the video you posted. I know that you've decided to use pics instead of videos and I really love that idea but I still would like to watch it for curiosity. xD When I clicked on it it says "this video is private".