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Post by creampanda on Jan 26, 2020 22:07:02 GMT -7
1998: The Dogz 3 CD book shows a prototype image of a Pig, listing it as an example of the downloads available on Petz.com:
1999: A prototype pigz was accidentally released on the Petz.com Adoption Center. Its name was Wilbur. (Source: Silver's Petz Place.)
1999: Dogz 4 came out, with Pig.dog included as a breed.
2000: Carolyn Horn creates the first "breedable pig" OW. (source: "last modified" date on Carolyn's pig OW.) Essentially, it functions by putting pig lnz into a bulldog.dog breedfile chassis, giving the pigz access to dogz mating behavioral data.
2000: Emerald Gate Pigz, the first pigz-centric petz site, is founded. Unfortunately, only scraps of it are archived. Whatever wisdom it held on the matters of petz 3's Wilbur, carolyn's pig-hogs, and petz 4's pigz, is sadly now lost forever...
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Post by creampanda on Jan 26, 2020 22:26:58 GMT -7
December 2019: I give Sapphire pigz. Sappire discovers that pigz eat bug barns. (Source) (Source)
Christmas 2019: the best four days of my life. It is discovered that pigz are, in fact, not dogz. Wild.
Opening the door to a whole new future for twinkling starlight Speciez... ?
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Post by Thor on Jan 28, 2020 13:02:50 GMT -7
I love you how document history! I wish more things documented history like this <3 I just wish PFM was around still (or that I was old enough to enjoy this DLC and fun communication with the company-- I want Match Making websites <3?)
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Post by Meer on Jan 30, 2020 21:34:18 GMT -7
Awww man! I just found out for the first time that my biggest dream for Petz (having more species besides just Catz and Dogz, all with their own behaviors and such) was actually PF Magic's plan! And they were gonna include FERRETZ as one of the first along with Pigz? Awww! Imagine what their behaviors and quirks could have been like! (If you've never owned a ferret IRL let me just tell you that they are hilarious little beasts!)
Anyway, not to get off topic, this is the history of Pigz! It's very cool that you put all this together, creampanda! I find it all very interesting! I never knew about a pig being accidentally released for adoption, haha!
And then all this time later we find out just how different pigz are from dogz. So exciting, I'm glad I'm around for this breakthrough.
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Post by creampanda on Jan 31, 2020 17:40:13 GMT -7
Awww man! I just found out for the first time that my biggest dream for Petz (having more species besides just Catz and Dogz, all with their own behaviors and such) was actually PF Magic's plan! And they were gonna include FERRETZ as one of the first along with Pigz? Awww! Imagine what their behaviors and quirks could have been like! (If you've never owned a ferret IRL let me just tell you that they are hilarious little beasts!)
Anyway, not to get off topic, this is the history of Pigz! It's very cool that you put all this together, creampanda! I find it all very interesting! I never knew about a pig being accidentally released for adoption, haha!
And then all this time later we find out just how different pigz are from dogz. So exciting, I'm glad I'm around for this breakthrough.
I know, right? Learning that were plans for an entire line of official Wildz breeds breaks my heart, knowing what ended up happening to PFM later down the line. And GOD I would love ferretz, I've never owned one but I've heard about their little weasel war dances and tendency to hoard things around the house like tiny mammalian dragons...and they're definitely more catlike than rabbits are behavior-wise, so they probably would've been a better "first stab" at a catz-based wildz. I'm guessing the ferretz were either mostly unfinished or not even started by the time Petz 4 was supposed to be shoved out the door, though... while the bunny from Babyz was either close to finished or already done.
For the oldest links, I got help from Soliloquy on discord for this - it was they who went through a lot of ancient archived Petz sites to dig up dirt on the development history of the game for Reflet's datamining discord. It just so happens that in the process, they dug up some Pig Stuff. The pre-petz-3-release mentions of "pigz and ferretz" as species DLC and the fansite mention of a leaked pig petz were found by Soliloquy. Hopefully, someone out there still has a copy of the leaked pig, so that someday we can investigate its differences from both dogz and from the finalized Petz 4 pigz on a closer level.
Yea! I remember that for ages, nobody thought pigz had unique behaviors. Even uncovering all that old "species module" stuff, people on Reflet's discord generally assumed that none of the programming for a new species made it into the final Petz 4 Pig, because (Soliloquy had a source for this, but they forgot to save it and haven't been able to re-locate it yet) Wilbur required a ".pig" breedfile, while modern pigz are a ".dog" breedfile like any run-of-the-mill hexed wildz. It wasn't until Sappire's bug barn discovery, and then Asiyd's spray bottle discovery, that we had enough information on Petz 4 pigz literally breaking the normal rules of the game ("bug barns are inedible" "all petz hate the spray bottle") to warrant an investigation.
(I wish we could re-locate the source on Wilbur needing a .pig file to run though, because that has really fascinating implications for how official Wildz were going to be handled for Petz 3.) 2/3/20 EDIT: turns out said source was either wrong or misremembered, we finally got our hands on Wilbur and he's a .dog. Whoops.
Isn't it great that these discoveries have been made!? I've been fascinated by Pigz ever since I learned of their tendency to produce tiny albino babies when bred (easy way to get a "mini" + fancy eye color, when you're 7 years old and don't have the attention span for multi-generational breeding). And I also remember noticing the strange mention in the Dogz 3 CD booklet of "Pigz!" that looked nothing like the Petz 4 pig, and wondering what the story behind that was. So it makes me really happy to see people appreciating them and discovering just how special a breed they are.
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Post by Meer on Jan 31, 2020 22:46:47 GMT -7
It is heartbreaking! Just imagine what Petz could be like now if PF Magic had kept going... I love all the great looking Wildz hexed breeds that we have, but I have always daydreamed and wished so hard for behaviors for them. (I used to have a long rant/ramble on my website about what I would do if I could make a "Petz 6"... all the fixes and enhancements I would add, and the biggest thing I would add is more species add ons that you could buy and merge together just the way Catz and Dogz work to become Petz. (I also imagined bringing Oddballz into Petz as well so they could interact and breed, although Oddballz are so strange that would be quite an undertaking to get all the behaviors co-existing in the sane world of Petz, but we already have insane hybrid breeding with greatly modified hexed breeds and that works just fine, but I'm rambling too much now))
Ferretz would be such an awesome addition to have! I had a ferret many years ago and yes, the weasel war dance is really something to behold. If I could have that in my Petz game I would just be so happy! And the way they like to steal and hoard things, their funny bouncing run, and their adorable "dook dook dook" noise when they are really happy, those would be so awesome to have in Petz. And yes they are so much more cat-like than rabbits, it would seem a good place to start. I didn't even know there was a bunny in Babyz. I've never played that game and don't know much about it. That kinda explains why we have a bunny instead of a ferret or some other more cat-like species. It's amazing that for so long we had some other species behaviors and didn't even know it! When I first read about the minipigs eating bug barns I was like "whaaat is going on here?" And then the exciting tests to find out what else they would eat, and finding out they actually like the spray bottle! That's so hilarious. I had to see it for myself. It is great that these discoveries have been made, and their exciting implications. Wow, the leaked Wilbur required a .pig breed file?? That has some very exciting and intriguing implications. Oh if only they had been able to continue down that road... Aww, that is so cool you were breeding tiny albino pigz when you were 7. And finally we have all caught up and realized just how much fun you can have with pigz!
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Post by creampanda on Feb 1, 2020 18:08:40 GMT -7
Meer god, yea... I used to have the same fantasies about "if I designed Petz 6 I would add Birdz and Horsez and Dragonz and they'd all merge together with Catz and Dogz and..."
From the sound of it in the press release, PF Magic wasn't even planning to milk the new animals for money... like the individual breed downloads for Petz 2, the company planned the new Petz 3 speciez to be free downloads. (I can't even imagine a company doing that today.) And since you mentioned Oddballz... there's lots of leftover animation data from Oddballz in Catz 2-5. So if we're ever able to figure out how to get breeds to draw upon that animation data through their SCP, perhaps eventually we can make "oddballzier" oddballz conversions. What you mention about fusing Oddballz and Petz does remind me of something, though... The more you describe ferrets IRL the more I wish Ferretz were real. They'd be so good and cute... I wish we had even the slightest scrap of info on what ferretz were gonna be like. We don't even have any prototype images in the Catz 3 booklet or anything, they're not mentioned at all.
And yea! Babyz has Bunny.toy. Its AI is super-stripped-down compared to a proper catz, so it doesn't do much of anything interesting, but it randomly shows up in the Babyz backyard sometimes, kind of like a host pet in Petz 4. Babyz as a game doesn't appeal to me much, but it does interest me in terms of the history of PF Magic and their plans for the Petz series as a whole. Anyways, here's our good friend Cotton as they appear in the virtual infant game:
I had this, like, gut feeling that pigz were "different" somehow? That they had something going on under the hood that hexed Wildz didn't. I was so intrigued when Sappire discovered two of her pigz eating bug barns... it felt like the first evidence I could point to that I wasn't just imagining things.
YEA!? Like, Soliloquy strongly suspects the original ".pig" breedfile might've been even more distinct from a dogz than the pig.dog we have now, but until we can get more information on Leaked Wilbur we can't really know for sure. It's so tantalizing, it's frustrating...
Hehe, I might've miscalculated earlier. ^_^; Since Carolyn's Breedable Pig file wasn't a thing until 2000, I would've been 8 at the absolute youngest when I started pig-breeding. Still, the point stands: relatively simple and easy thing for an impatient kid to exploit, I thought it was neat, I remember reading guides on Emerald Gate Pigz on how to breed the smallest little sausage piglets, and so I did. It felt like all the pigz love shriveled up on the internet after that site died... I'm happy to have helped kickstart a Pigz Renaissance! Not just b/c I love the breed and love seeing others take an interest to it, but also because it just makes me happy to see new things be learned about Petz in general.
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Post by creampanda on Feb 3, 2020 17:15:49 GMT -7
2/3/2020
EXCITING UPDATE! WILBUR THE PETZ 3 PIG HAS BEEN FOUND! Carolyn Horn had his petfile lying around and dug it up for Reflet's hacking discord to examine!
Proto-Pig Wilbur requires a pig.dog breedfile, not a mythical ".pig" breedfile. So that whole idea was either an error in the lost source site, or an error in our memories of the source in question. Ah well! At least it makes him easier to examine... interestingly, he has null genetics, just like a modern (petz 4) pig.
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Post by Thor on Feb 8, 2020 19:10:30 GMT -7
That is so cool! He looks so cute :3 Tho I guess he kind of just looks like a dog-pig, which is why they changed it xD It still has charm :3
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Post by creampanda on Feb 9, 2020 16:16:37 GMT -7
That is so cool! He looks so cute :3 Tho I guess he kind of just looks like a dog-pig, which is why they changed it xD It still has charm :3 Hehe, yea... I'm willing to bet he's more or less a rough draft of what was planned for the pig, since the Dogz 3 booklet preview version of the pig is much more "piggy," while still being closer in overall size and shape to Wilbur than to the final pig breedfile.
Preview-pig has visible nostrils and no visible bottom nose-ball, while Wilbur the proto-pig has no visible nostrils and a bottom nose ball (giving him a dog-like, heart-shaped nose), but both have grey nostril ballz and not the selfie-colored nostril-ballz of the final pig. Preview pig's tail is clearly edited and not actually lnz, but it's curly, which fits closer with the finalized pig having a bent/curly tail variation as well as a straight-tail variation. Both preview-pig and Wilbur have simple, bulldog-like ears, while the finalized pig has ears that are more like a variation on the design of chihuahua ears.
Both Wilbur and the finalized pig have the head shifted to be parallel to the body for a more piggy silhouette, though.
It's interesting! I wish we know more about the behind-the-scenes story of Pig.dog's development.
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